There is a saying “Everyone has a right to be wrong in their opinions, but no one has a right to be wrong in their facts”.
What that really means is, if you claim that you believe in something that is your personal opinion. It’s a normative value like saying that you prefer the color green over the color blue. There is no factually right or wrong answer.. All of us are entitled to our opinions and beliefs. That is our fundamental human right. But once we make a factual statement. A statement of fact. A claim to a historical event. Then we have to be right in those factual statements we make. We do not have a right to be wrong when we make a factual statement. We do not have a right to embellish or be creative. If we cannot prove clinically and logically to our statement of facts, we are lying and committing perjury in a court of law (often punishable) and need to take responsibility.
We do have mythologies. The story of Hercules, the story of Ramayana and the Mahabharata etc. All very creative and often sprinkled wonderfully with moral precepts. and sometimes not so much. The writers of these mythologies are free to be creative without the responsibility to prove anything they write about to be real or factual. The fact that they call it mythology, they get a “get out of jail card” for free. These mythologies are sometimes wonderful, some of them characters even have a human body with an elephant head. Some of these characters have great human strengths from their hair..and once cut they lose these powers.
What about the story of Jesus..The stories of the Bible. Is the Bible a historical document or a mythology like the story of Hercules and the Ramayana? What is the position of the gatekeepers of Christianity? What do they claim? If someone claims something is historical. Then those “factual” statements needs to be scrutinized. IF someone says they have a belief, we should leave them alone to their faith provided it’s not intrusive to another’s liberty.
People are entitled to beliefs..but they are not entitled to their beliefs being taught and flouted as facts and history.
So is the Bible a mythology/Belief that we, out of politeness leave it to their myths? Or is it history? and if it’s so claimed as History, is it not for everyone to question it to be sure it is accurate? All facts and history are in public domain and we all have a civic responsibility to own it and to keep it factual?
Almost all church and christian organizations claim the story of the Bible and the story of Jesus as historical events. The Christian story is not claimed as mythology for the rest of us who are not Christians to leave peoples belief and mythology to themselves. Because the claim is been made that the Bible is history, it now comes into public domain. We Christians and non Christians now own this..We have a civic responsibility to maintain the facts of these alleged events.
To question and challenge the veracity of the Jesus and Bible stories is our (Christians and non Christians alike) civic and moral responsibility. We owe this to our children.
Let me start by making a factual statement that the Bible stories are just stories. Its pure mythology but claimed by many liars in this world to be factual. It’s no different than the mythologies of Ramayana or the Mahabharata.
The Catholic church articulated that the story of Hercules was a legend.. They stated that there must have been a man by the name Hercules but after he was dead and gone, a legend was made about him and about his hair and the amazing strength that he possessed and what not. Very good point indeed. All we have to do is, apply the same reason and logic on “Jesus”. None of us can deny that a person called “Jesus” did not live 2000 years ago. Just today, I had Jesus mow my lawn. But there is as much probability as Hercules that the story of Jesus is a legend. Particularly when such legends were dime a dozen those days.
Let me start with some of these wonderful folks who have taken great effort to logically disprove the factual statements of the bible stories.
Please keep a track of this page. I will be adding more items to make a case against the claim that Jesus is the son of God and the events of the Bible are true historical events.
Why do so many people lie that the Bible is history?
If you ever watch American television, you would know that “The History Channel” often has many programs that presents the Bible stories as history. Even the “National Geographic Channel” has people claiming to be “Biblical Archaeologist”. What the heck is Biblical Archaeologist”? Someone who comes with a prejudiced position to prove the BS of the Bible are factual like that Noah’s ark was really true and that The Noah’s Ark in Turkey (Mt Ararat) was real?
I am flummoxed by this culture of so many lying people in the west. All they have to do is, claim that the Bible is mythology and that there are are many moral precepts that is good for humanity. And we can then move on while respecting Christianity.
Instead many continue to lie and lie for generations in absolute contradiction to every reason and logic. And what about that thing about bearing “false witness”? Oh yeah..That’s the old testament..nothing to do wit h the new testament? So lie away? It is truly immoral and tragic indeed!
Clearly, anyone who claims to be certain that Jesus was literally born of a virgin is lying. — Sam Harris, Beliefnet inverview
And Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
“The Bible Unearthed” is the latest salvo fired in a pitched battle between those who consider the Old Testament to contain plenty of reliable historical facts, and those who, at the opposite extreme, say it’s pure mythology. The debate reached the general population of Israel, sending what one journalist called a “shiver” down the nation’s “collective spine,” in late 1999, when another archaeologist from Tel Aviv University, Ze’ev Herzog, wrote a cover story for the weekend magazine of the national daily newspaper, Ha’aretz. In the essay, Herzog laid out many of the theories Finkelstein and Silberman present in their book: “the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.” The new theories envision this modest chiefdom as based in a Jerusalem that was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire.
Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.
The absurdity is not that people believe in myths.. But the elevation of the christian myth to be placed in an exalted position. Now that is offensive and wrong!
The God Who Wasn’t There
There are hundred and one seers like Jesus all over India and India used to be full of Jesus like Seers.. India is a factory for Jesus like Seers… Hobos who pontificate about morality and what not. We produce them like China produces plastic toys for Walmart!
There were no such morality spewing Hobos in the west..so the westerners who are thirsty for such morality are scratching the barrel for Hobo hippies like Jesus and think they they have invented the wheel of morality.
As an Indian, let me say this: BEEN THERE DONE THAT For 1000s of years!
There are million Jesus in India and in Hinduism. And a new “Jesus” like Seer is born in India every day!
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
A Good book to read:
Letter to a Christian Nation – Sam Harris
Funny email exchange concerning permission for a student to join a religious education outing to an Easter play. Darryl Robinson is the school chaplain and David Thorne is the father of student Seb Thorne.